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Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Reply #20 on: Nov 19, 2021, 03:09 PM »
I do hope it's a proper new bike. Even though I've not long bought my Mk3.

I've noticed in the biking press that in order to comply with the latest emissions regs, manufacturers are having to increase engine capacity. Sounds counterintuitive, but basically the engines run lean and put out less power so by increasing the cc you get some power back.

Probably why BMWs twin keeps growing.. 1100, 1150, 1200, 1250...1300

Totally agree with the need for a proper refresh. The engine is just a bit underpowered now that it has gained weight. So even if they made it a 700cc that would be enough to put it on a par with the Tracer and Tiger 660.

Otherwise I'm ashamed  to say that Kwak will lose my loyalty.

As for gizmos, I'm not to bothered, but a bit of an update would be good.

« Last Edit: Nov 19, 2021, 03:12 PM by Gripped74 »
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Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Reply #21 on: Nov 19, 2021, 03:24 PM »
*Originally Posted by Gripped74 [+]
I do hope it's a proper new bike. Even though I've not long bought my Mk3.

I've noticed in the biking press that in order to comply with the latest emissions regs, manufacturers are having to increase engine capacity. Sounds counterintuitive, but basically the engines run lean and put out less power so by increasing the cc you get some power back.

Probably why BMWs twin keeps growing.. 1100, 1150, 1200, 1250...1300

Totally agree with the need for a proper refresh. The engine is just a bit underpowered now that it has gained weight. So even if they made it a 700cc that would be enough to put it on a par with the Tracer and Tiger 660.

Otherwise I'm ashamed  to say that Kwak will lose my loyalty.

As for gizmos, I'm not to bothered, but a bit of an update would be good.
FYI - To get a larger capacity Versys Kawasaki would have to design a whole new engine  :033:

From what  have learnt on the Super Twins racing forums and the now closed "Blue Ridge Performance" website that on the 650 engine:

1. The cylinder bores are already at their minimum design distance, so boring out is not possible
and
2. a whole new bottom end would have to be designed to facilitate stroking the engine crankshaft to increase its capacity
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Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Reply #22 on: Nov 19, 2021, 03:41 PM »
Yep, sorry I wasn't saying they could just rebore/stroke, I just meant that a 700cc might be big enough. 

So a new engine could well be needed. As the middleweight sector is quite competitive there may be merit in a new engine anyway, especially as Kwak use it in other models and it is getting long in the tooth now.

Having said that, the stuff I've read indicates that they'll stick with the 650... I had heard that the 650 was pretty much at the limit., but perhaps some new cams and other fettling will be enough... but then you might lose power in the lower RPM.
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Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Reply #23 on: Nov 19, 2021, 04:33 PM »
*Originally Posted by TowerMan [+]
stroking the engine crankshaft to increase its capacity

Stroking my crankshaft always increases its capacity.

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Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Reply #24 on: Nov 19, 2021, 05:00 PM »
*Originally Posted by TowerMan [+]
FYI - To get a larger capacity Versys Kawasaki would have to design a whole new engine  :033:

From what  have learnt on the Super Twins racing forums and the now closed "Blue Ridge Performance" website that on the 650 engine:

1. The cylinder bores are already at their minimum design distance, so boring out is not possible
and
2. a whole new bottom end would have to be designed to facilitate stroking the engine crankshaft to increase its capacity


they wouldnt have to go longer stroke, just bigger barrels if the present ones are at the limit, i suspect the present crank would take an extra 50cc

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Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Reply #25 on: Nov 19, 2021, 05:44 PM »
*Originally Posted by Stewie [+]
Stroking my crankshaft always increases its capacity.

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Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Reply #26 on: Nov 19, 2021, 06:11 PM »
*Originally Posted by Wal [+]

they wouldnt have to go longer stroke, just bigger barrels if the present ones are at the limit, i suspect the present crank would take an extra 50cc

So you would prefer it to be wider but you will accept longer if necessary.
A slightly contrary view.

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Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Reply #27 on: Nov 19, 2021, 08:40 PM »
*Originally Posted by Stewie [+]
So you would prefer it to be wider but you will accept longer if necessary.
A slightly contrary view.

as long as it keeps firing on both cylinders........ :015:

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Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Reply #28 on: Nov 20, 2021, 07:23 AM »
*Originally Posted by Wal [+]
as long as it keeps firing on both cylinders........ :015:

I like firing in 3 cylinders.

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Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Reply #29 on: Nov 22, 2021, 10:50 AM »
*Originally Posted by Stewie [+]
I like firing in 3 cylinders.

That's why you got a Triumph then!  :2:

just a shame her Cylinders ain't firing, what you been up to?   :016:
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