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Versys - General Discussion / Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Last post by mac one on Today at 03:15 PM »
IT was not meant to be a personal stab at anyone , have as many aids as you want but no one should over rely on any of them. GP riders still come off even with all the tec they have.
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Versys - General Discussion / Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Last post by Shandy on Today at 03:06 PM »
*Originally Posted by Stewie [+]
I also agree

My bike is fully tricked out with rider aids and they can be incredibly useful.
They are there to back me up incase of brain fart, inattention, panic or otherwise.
I have also ridden in all weather's and I don't need the aids but every once in a while I am more than happy they are there.

Did you get the Triumph optional D.A.D? (Ditch Avoidance Device)  :008:
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I have the GT Air II, I like it I chose it cos its lighter than the flip up and wear and tear on my neck needs all the help it can get.

Canít speak for the flip up.

Defo like the integrated comms

TB
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Versys - General Discussion / Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Last post by Stewie on Today at 02:53 PM »
I also agree

My bike is fully tricked out with rider aids and they can be incredibly useful.
They are there to back me up incase of brain fart, inattention, panic or otherwise.
I have also ridden in all weather's and I don't need the aids but every once in a while I am more than happy they are there.
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Versys - General Discussion / Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Last post by Shandy on Today at 01:52 PM »
*Originally Posted by 100milesaway [+]
mac, I can assure you that I don't need anymore practice at riding bikes.

After 56 years of riding all manner of bikes, on and off road. And every kind of bike from a 50 cc step through, to a 158 bhp ZX 12.



And until about 5 years ago, I have rode all year round, with every conceivable weather, and road condition imaginable. So I don't think that I need anymore practice.

Furthermore, I don't RELY on ABS, but just appreciate that in million to one situations it could, and in my case did, save me from a very dangerous situation.

Also to compare riding a bike on the road, complete with dangerous road surfaces, such as potholes, diesel spillages, slippery road marking and moronic car drivers, who care little for any other road user, and simply don't understand what road craft means. None of which Moto GP riders have to deal with, is just ridiculous.

Riding safely on the road is a fine art, and many riders find out the hard way, that it is not anywhere near as easy as it looks. As I have stated many times on here, I dislike many of the gizmos and gadgets that are fitted to today's bikes, because most of them, offer nothing of benefit to my kind of biking. However, ABS has saved me from what could have been a very nasty accident,  so is pretty much a must have for todays bikes.

 :89:
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Versys - General Discussion / Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Last post by 100milesaway on Today at 01:45 PM »
*Originally Posted by mac one [+]
If you can't ride a bike without ABS then maybe you need more practice, miles under the belt in poor weather helps a lot, i found that off road riding gives you more ability on road than you would ever believe, in my view you should not have to rely on ABS, we don't all have the ability of GP riders but just look how they all  manage without ABS.
mac, I can assure you that I don't need anymore practice at riding bikes.

After 56 years of riding all manner of bikes, on and off road. And every kind of bike from a 50 cc step through, to a 158 bhp ZX 12.



And until about 5 years ago, I have rode all year round, with every conceivable weather, and road condition imaginable. So I don't think that I need anymore practice.

Furthermore, I don't RELY on ABS, but just appreciate that in million to one situations it could, and in my case did, save me from a very dangerous situation.

Also to compare riding a bike on the road, complete with dangerous road surfaces, such as potholes, diesel spillages, slippery road marking and moronic car drivers, who care little for any other road user, and simply don't understand what road craft means. None of which Moto GP riders have to deal with, is just ridiculous.

Riding safely on the road is a fine art, and many riders find out the hard way, that it is not anywhere near as easy as it looks. As I have stated many times on here, I dislike many of the gizmos and gadgets that are fitted to today's bikes, because most of them, offer nothing of benefit to my kind of biking. However, ABS has saved me from what could have been a very nasty accident,  so is pretty much a must have for todays bikes.


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Versys - General Discussion / Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Last post by uralrob on Today at 01:39 PM »


 Interesting points, all.

 I hadn't thought about modern youth needing the bright screens to attract them. Good point, but sad.

 As for electronics for the street rider, I wouldn't be without efi. It serves me well every time I ride. I also don't miss speedometer cables.

 abs is very effective, and hats off to those who are quick enough and strong enough to activate it. Thanks to improvements in tires since the arrival of abs I suspect most of us would be lying on the pavement before the abs cuts in. The problem is not the abs, it is that operator skills are lagging behind the advances in traction technology.

 Rob.
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Versys - General Discussion / Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Last post by Shandy on Today at 12:53 PM »
*Originally Posted by mac one [+]
If you can't ride a bike without ABS then maybe you need more practice, miles under the belt in poor weather helps a lot, i found that off road riding gives you more ability on road than you would ever believe, in my view you should not have to rely on ABS, we don't all have the ability of GP riders but just look how they all  manage without ABS.

 :182:

Firstly, I don't think anyone here is suggesting they use ABS all the time and it's not a matter of needing practice. ABS is a safety feature, there 'just in case' and if you're honest everyone can hold their hands up to a situation where they probably weren't riding to their best standard. Weather that moment required the intervention of ABS, TC or not it certainly doesn't mean that rider is unskilled or incompetent in any way. I ride all year round (Yes Jay, I do before you say anything  :008: ), all weathers and certainly don't require any more 'experience' of these things.
If someone is riding around using ABS all the time, it's not experience they need, it's a car! or maybe a garage.
GP riders may not have ABS, but they certainly have a Sh*t tonne of other electronics to keep them on the track, including ultra advanced TC, full engine, fuelling and suspension remote adjustment. Infinite number of rider 'modes', turn by turn GPS where the bike knows exactly where it is on track at any time and can remotely adjust, engine mapping, suspension, throttle response engine breaking and TC all on the fly or pre programmed to adjust differently at each corner or straight! With all that, who needs ABS? I guarantee you, Marquez would NOT get around Silverstone even one lap without all those electronics....are you suggesting he needs more practice?
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Versys - General Discussion / Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Last post by mac one on Today at 12:35 PM »
If you can't ride a bike without ABS then maybe you need more practice, miles under the belt in poor weather helps a lot, i found that off road riding gives you more ability on road than you would ever believe, in my view you should not have to rely on ABS, we don't all have the ability of GP riders but just look how they all  manage without ABS.
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Versys - General Discussion / Re: New Versys for 2022 ???
« Last post by 100milesaway on Today at 11:34 AM »
 I also agree that ABS is pretty much essential on a road bike.

It saved my bacon once on a 1250 Bandit. There are certain situations that your reflexes and instant reactions are not up to dealing with, situations that ABS would effectively deal with.
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